When the very name for something is a falsehood, it’s classic “early warning.” How can anyone “buy back” that which they never owned or sold?
Gun buy-backs are also a rip-off. $50 or $100 or a gift certificate for a pair of shoes is a poor trade to a grieving widow turning in her late husband’s gun that might be worth thousands from a collector if she sold it to a legitimate gun shop, for example.
Not to mention that a “no questions asked” buyback, which is common, is the perfect dumping ground for violent criminals to dispose of murder weapons that could connect them to their crimes.
Here, our friends at TTAG, TheTruthAboutGuns.com, share evidence which proves in addition that “buybacks” don’t do a damn thing to prevent crime.
I knew guys that used to go to the buybacks & look for valuable guns in the line & buy them from the, usually, widows or family members of deceased owners. The PD & Sheriffs offices soon put an end to that. They’d much rather destroy some valuable antique so they can play the cameras for political points. None of the “gun guys” in the departments ever wanted to work these debacles. Most of the “dangerous murder weapons” they took of the street were broken pieces of junk.
It was some 30 years ago a friend and I attended an auction where Houston PD was selling all their guns from evidence rooms no longer needed for prosecution. There was enough guns to fill all the tables in a huge gun show. They all looked like they had been stored at the bottom of Galveston Bay. They were junk. When the bidding started, people were bidding more for a firearm than it would cost new retail – and they were junk. My friend and I decided we had wasted enough time and decided to leave. My friend had to make a pit stop, so I waited for him in the arena hall that happened to be right next to the station where “successful” bidders picked up their “treasures”. One of these “successful” bidders was handed the rifle he had “won” and I swear you could see daylight through the action. The bidder exclaimed “Where’s the rest of it?” and the auction worker simply said “that’s it Buddy, Good Luck.”.
The “moral” of this story is that if the government gets its hands on your firearms “for safe keeping” due to red flag laws they will never be returned in the same condition they were taken. A really nice item may even get “lost”.
Too many states, under the “influence” of BloomingIdiotBurg, have enacted laws prohibiting all private (non FFL) transfers without having an FFL do the BGC. Thus buying those guns at the ‘event” direct from the current owner would be grounds for local LE to bust you for the “no no” of a non-FFL middled transfer. So much for the right to “keep and bear”, right?
It must be frustrating to be an anti-gunner. They have been trying to take our guns a piece at a time since 1968. Here a law, there a law, now a mass shooting, then a school shooting. Lots of publicity. Lots of demonizing guns and gun owners, yet the public just keeps buying guns and ammo like they were Tickle Me Elmo or Cabbage Patch dolls.
They don’t have the courage to really confiscate our firearms. They lie to us, and fool half of us, trying to get us to put them in power for ever. Notice how many politicians there are who hate this country, the greatest country in the world, with citizens so stupid they elect America-haters into high office, and re-elect them!
The gun-haters propagate their lies, yet more and more guns are sold to law-abiding owners. The Left tells the whole world how terrible America is, yet we are overrun with immigrants legal and illegal. These immigrants press into a country dominated by the evil, racist white man! What a comedy show! Too bad the Left is holding America back from becoming even better than we are now. Think what life would be like if the Left’s message was drowned out, and children were raised to believe the truth.
I derive just a little bit of pleasure knowing how miserable the America-haters are. The only thing that gives them comfort is when they are dreaming of their utopia. The attainment of their goals eludes them, so they are frustrated. GOOD! If only we could convince half the country to stop believing the Left’s lies, we would be less frustrated too.
Even if we could just take ten to twenty points off their half, enough to make a supermajority for our side, that’d be a lot more solid ground to try to rebuild society on.
Roger Willco – “They have been trying to take our guns a piece at a time since 1968.”
Their efforts go much further back then 1968. The Democrats in the Old South fell all over themselves passing “Jim Crow” laws to disarm the newly freed slaves after the Civil War. The Sullivan Act was passed in 1911. The National Firearms Act in 1934.
As I’ve noted before, the left-wing mindset sees humanity as “inherently good” and, therefore, they always see evil in environmental factors. So, in their minds, violence does not come from people. In their Utopia (reference the Federation in Star Trek) there is no poverty, crime or violence. Earth is, repeatedly, described as a left-wing “Paradise” in Star Trek. A result flowing from its left-wing creator, Gene Roddenberry.
Leftists are the ultimate “Control Freaks”. In their minds, if they can only obtain COMPLETE CONTROL over mankind’s environment, then they can create their utopia. Therefore, they spend their lives running around attempting to ban anything in the environment that they view as being a negative influence upon people. Their list of banned items is limitless.
They view alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives as all “negative things”. Therefore, the Left created the BATFE as a government agency to implement their ideology. Why else have an agency to regulate this crazy mix of items? These items are not related in any practical way. However, they are related as being “negative” environmental items in leftwing ideology. THAT is their relationship.
In addition to the BATFE items, the left would love to ban a whole host of other items: big cars, plastic straws, sugar and sugary drinks, various kinds of speech, etc., etc., etc.
In addition to banning what they view as negative, they would like to force every person to behavior according to their dictates. To speak only in Politically Correct duck-speech. To work only in jobs that they approve. To believe only what they want you to believe. They want to control the very thoughts in your brain.
With the Left, it is always about CONTROL. They try to control speech and the meaning of words. Thus, they push terms like “Gun Violence” and “Buy-Back Program” so as to control the way people view the world. They know that control of speech leads to control of thought.
They want to control history. As George Orwell put it: “He who controls the past controls the present. He who controls the present controls the future”. Orwell knew everything about the control-freak nature of the Left.
They control education so that they can control the children with indoctrination. They control the media so that they can mislead the public with propaganda. They continually use fear and guilt as tools to control people.
I will say it again. Leftists are the ULTIMATE Control Freaks. That is the real reason that they can never be happy. Total control eludes them. It always will. Therefore, the left will chase its tail forever in a vain effort to establish total control.
I would pity them if their efforts were not so totally destructive to the rest of humanity. The portion of humanity not afflicted with their particular mental illness that forces them to always strive for domineering control.
keep buying guns and ammo like they were Tickle Me Elmo
One thing that always tickles me is buying guns. Too bad I can’t do that more often. After all, NO ONE ever has “too many” in their “arsenal”. At least, no one I ever knew.
In the video attached to the link, I didn’t see one gang banger, however if one was looking to ditch a few pieces of evidence …
It was some 30 years ago a friend and I attended an auction where Houston PD was selling all their guns from evidence rooms no longer needed for prosecution. There was enough guns to fill all the tables in a huge gun show. They all looked like they had been stored at the bottom of Galveston Bay. They were junk. When the bidding started, people were bidding more for a firearm than it would cost new retail – and they were junk. My friend and I decided we had wasted enough time and decided to leave. My friend had to make a pit stop, so I waited for him in the arena hall that happened to be right next to the station where “successful” bidders picked up their “treasures”. One of these “successful” bidders was handed the rifle he had “won” and I swear you could see daylight through the action. The bidder exclaimed “Where’s the rest of it?” and the auction worker simply said “that’s it Buddy, Good Luck.”.
The “moral” of this story is that if the government gets its hands on your firearms “for safe keeping” due to red flag laws they will never be returned in the same condition they were taken. A really nice item may even get “lost”.
” It is disgraceful when the “buyback” people would give an elderly widow $50 or $100 for her late husband’s Mark Morris Custom Carry-Comp 10mm that a legitimate purchaser would pay several thousand dollars for. ”
And especially so when that gun ends up in the private collection of an officer or politically connected official.
I recall a conversation with a Canadian circa 2001. I was in Dayton, OH camping out in a field adjacent to The Hamfest. The Canadians pulled in next to me. Having relatives there and, well, just being me, I stuck up conversations. The last night, sitting in their camp talking, the news came on. And guess the headline (someone shot someone).
So one guy says “What’s up with you Americans? Why do you need 7 guns?”. I started list type of gun and use (target, hunting, plinking, different kinds of each, etc). When I got to about 18 (just getting warmed up and barely off .22 LR guns), he interrupted and conceded my point.
Then he said “Well, we have gun buy backs in Canada.” I went there … pointing out all the issues and getting to the point of Mas’ post, I mentioned the CT case just after Newtown and how unusual it was.
Reference:
https://www.necn.com/news/local/_necn__ww2_weapon_turned_in_during_gun_buy-back_program_in_ct_necn/56377/
I pointed out how valuable and often historical treasures might well end up in a private collection (cheating the owner) or possibly worse, scrapped vs in a collection or museum.
Again with the interruptions.
This time he mentions how their police chief got into trouble for the issue of ‘converting’ gun(s) the police (sic) ‘bought back’ to his personal collection and such (I recall he hinted there was more to the story).
Paul Sturtevant,
I clicked the link and watched the video. A Sturmgewehr 44. HOLY GUACAMOLE!
The best – and worst – use I can think of for a ‘gun buyback’ program is to enable a criminal to directly or indirectly dispose of a weapon used in a crime – and get paid for it. Possibly paid more than he/she paid for it in the first place, assuming it was bought rather than stolen as part of another crime.
All the guns I own (a sizable number) are either heavily modified or custom built, so you can guess where I stand on buyback ripoffs. Second, as a wordsmith, I have a seeeeeerious problem with the whole “buying BACK” thing, for the same reason Mas pointed out; if I didn’t get a gun FROM you, it can’t be bought back BY you.
Russ,
You are correct about the wording, but “Gun Buy Back” is a catchy phrase. I am trying to think of another name they could use. Maybe a “Turn in Your Firearm” program. Maybe a “Get Guns Off the Street” program. “Money for Munitions”? “Wampum for Weapons”? “Pennies for Pistols”? “Cash for Contraband”? In France they could probably say “Francs for Firearms,” except France probably uses Euros now. “Guilders for Guns”? How about “Turn Your Guns into Gold”?
Speaking of crazy language, how about when we say an alarm went “off?” If the alarm is sounding, isn’t it “on” not “off?” Same thing with bombs. The bomb went “off.” No it didn’t. The bomb exploded. It was “off” before it exploded, then it switched “on” and exploded. It didn’t go “off.” Maybe our weird phrase originated from the saying, “They are off on a journey.” “Off to the races” where they say, “and they are off” when the horses begin to run. But that has to do with going somewhere, not activating something. Oh well. English is strange when you compare it to other languages.
Roger Willco – The correct term to use, instead of “Buy-Back Program” is “Compensated Firearm Confiscation” or “Compensated Confiscation” for short.
The correct term to use, instead of “Gun Violence” is “Human Violence” or, perhaps, simply “Criminal Violence”.
The correct term to use, instead of “Gun Control Law” or (worse yet) “Firearm Safety Law” is “Firearms Prohibition Law”.
The correct term to use, instead of “Mainstream Media”, is “Anti-American Media”.
To control language is to control thought. The Left knows this to be true. Therefore, one prime use of their control of the Anti-American Media is to try to shape language so as to shape thought and to shape the frame-work for any discussion. Therefore, the Anti-American Media makes continual efforts to “Word-Smith” the English language so as to support left-wing ideology.
To control language is to control thought. To control the thoughts is our minds is the ultimate goal of all Left-wing ideology. As I noted above, Leftists are the ultimate control freaks. To control thought by means of indoctrination, propaganda and word-smith language is ultimate power and ultimate control. The Left desires this level of CONTROL above all things.
TN_MAN,
Yes, “Compensated Firearm Confiscation.” To paraphrase Diane Feinstein, It’s like saying, “Turn them all in, Mr. and Mrs. America, and we are such nice autocrats that we will pay you for them.” Years ago I heard Mark Levin say something like we have ” . . . tyranny with a smiley face.” It’s as though Russia had Communism with the iron fist, while we have Communism with the velvet glove over the iron fist. In Russia they said, “Do what we tell you, or we’ll shoot you.” In America the Left says, “Do what we tell you, or we’ll cancel you.”
Roger, Maybe Follywood will come out with an action movie titled The Cancellator starring Alec Baldwin or some other liberal actor/actress who uses various high capacity assault weapons to ‘cancel’ diabolical conservatives. The main villain would be a billionaire real estate tycoon who looks a lot like Donald Trump.
Tom606,
Genius!
Roger:
Steven Spielberg and some Disney people may already have something like this in the works. It may even win an Oscar.
In my jurisdiction all buy back firearms relinquished are identified with tags that must include confirmed ID of the person who gave them up. We check all serial numbers against a DB for stolen weapons. Additionally our armor inspects each turn on. Any of high value the armor takes the person aside, informs them of the potential value and of local dealers who may purchase it. In the past 16 years we see 5 or 10 a year that are high value. Usually 1911 or Garrand rifles. Most are junk, rusted single shot 22 or 12 gauge. A few revolvers and bolt action rifles.
I blame gun owners for “buybacks” and every other gun-control scheme.
Estimates vary wildly, but assuming there are 100 million of us, we could control every election. The only gun law we’d have would be the Second Amendment. But, we don’t. Half of us gun owners don’t even vote at all. Half of the other half vote for anti-rights politicians!
Then, there is our support for gun-rights organizations such as the NRA, SAF, CCRKBA, and state-level organizations. Only about 5% of us support such organizations.
Gun owners are their own worst enemy!
Vote like a gun owner! Every election, every issue, every candidate, no exception, no excuses!
Blaine Nay,
Sadly, you are correct. The Left easily brushes aside the Right in other areas, too. Those of us on the Right are easily divided, and easily kept docile. If the Left can ensnare us without changing our lifestyles much, they will probably win total control over us. If they falter, and the economy sinks far enough that many of us in the middle class begin to feel real poverty, then there might be a reaction against the advances of the Left. Who knows? I can’t predict the future. At least we are aware of what is happening, and still able to keep informing each other.
If the police were to stand down for people on the Right, the way they stand down for Antifa’s mostly peaceful demonstrations, then the Left would be in serious trouble. The Right is like Gulliver allowing the Lilliputians to tie him down, even though he has the power to break their threads.
But as you note in your comment, there is no need for violence. Things could turn around if the people on the Right would vote enthusiastically (in a fair election) and get active in educating their kids. We also have the power to affect commerce with how we spend our dollars.
The madness of the “Woke” Left continues unabated. See this story:
https://news.yahoo.com/sweeping-proposal-limit-police-force-141220233.html
AG Letitia James is a Left-Wing Radical. She is the same AG that wants to shut down and prosecute the NRA as a “Criminal and Terrorist Organization”. The true “Criminals and Terrorists” are these political hacks that have wormed their way into office, IMHO.
What do you think, Mas? Will there be any “rank and file” Police Officers willing to work in the State of New York if this law passes?
Preventing crime isn’t the point of gun “buybacks” or any other gun control law, for that matter.
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