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Living Freedom by Claire Wolfe. Musings about personal freedom and finding it within ourselves.

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Claire Wolfe

Raising the black flag and …

Monday, January 7th, 2013

Okay, she says, speaking metaphorically but with steely determination, dagger between teeth. That was a nice, long break. But now it’s time to raise the black flag and commence to slitting throats.

—–

I see discouragement all ’round. Certainty of economic doom. Fear that we’re about to lose our gun rights. Rumors of Obama preparing to grab a third term (rumors not eased by sudden cawing from the chattering classes that we should just dump that old Constitution thingie because it keeps the gummint from doing everything on its wish list*). Dread of the looming Obamacare regime. And on and on.

The kleptocrats are taking their share now. Whatever happens, we’re going to have to work with their leavings. And clearly, however they have to achieve it, they do not intend to leave We the Peasants armed.

In the days I haven’t been blogging (thanks for your patience), I’ve been running a few scenarios through my head.

One involves me and a bunch of other silver hairs — along with young mothers, persons of color, and vulnerable children — standing up to the DiFis of the world and shouting en masse, Molon labe!. You white, middle-aged guys can stay home for this one because if you show up, you’re the only ones they’ll focus the cameras on. You know that’s true, don’t you?

The other scenario … involves getting the hell out. Just walking away and leaving what’s left of this country to those who are running it into the ground. No fuss, no muss, no drama.

I know. That’s “unpatriotic.” Somebody is sure to say so. And others always say (and this I do understand), “I’m not giving up my country!

And I do understand, I really do. Because I’ve felt the same. But is this your country any more? Do you recognize it? Can you claim allegiance to a land whose rulers slaughter at will, spy on anyone, lock people up without trial, try incessantly to take your firearms, and believe that “freedom” is slavery, “peace” is war, and a centrally managed economy is a “free market”?

Recently a friend wrote, “America is over. All we can do now is to look out for ourselves and hope it doesn’t get really bad until after we die.”

Though I “shrugged” long ago, I still can’t go as far as he has. Not yet. And frankly I don’t believe he really means it. He’s got a brand new grandson and another grandbaby on the way; he’s not going to stand quietly by and watch the world around them turn to centrally managed, broke, subservient, disarmed sh*t. He’s not going to have his grandbabies grow up to humbly tug their forelocks any time Authority parades by.

But what is he going to do? What’s he going to do to prevent that?

—–

I will say this: If DiFi’s proposed gun ban or anything even remotely like it passes — for instance if private sales are banned or we’re ordered to get government permission to own firearms … well, it will be time.

And you know exactly what time I mean.

—–

But no time is just one time.

It will also be time to make our rulers’ lives miserable in more mundane ways. They should never have a moment’s peace until they get out of our way and freedom’s way.

It will also be time to step up every possible form of resistance.

—–

In fact, with or without a new gun ban, we face stark choices. For anyone who loves freedom and stays in the U.S., life becomes a continuous act of resistance.

Some of us have chosen, and will continue to choose, to avoid “them.” To go around the stupid laws and restrictions. To treat Authority and its works with the scorn they deserve.

But they’re making quiet resistance — creative disregard — harder every day.

Oh, there will always, always be room for Outlaws. In fact, in the world they’re creating, there will be more Outlaws (and small-o outlaws) than good citizens. Heck, what am I saying? There already are.

But Outlawry in the future will have to become a more active occupation. It will be more dangerous and require more toughness and determination.

The years ahead ain’t gonna be a time for sissies.

The years ahead are going to be time for hard choices.

You say you want to stay and take your country back? Okay. But face what that’s going to mean. Face exactly what that’s going to mean.

—–

It’s funny; we Americans look back at the ancestors who came here and we’re so proud of them. We boast of their conviction, their gumption, their initiative.

Nobody looks back and says, “My dissenter ancestors should have stayed in England and fought for their freedom of religion.” Nobody says, “My Irish ancestors should have figured out how to keep the Brits from starving them out of their own country.” Nobody says, “My Jewish ancestors were cowards for leaving Russia during the pogroms. They should have stayed and fought back!”

No, we’re all glad they left.

Not only that, we condemn those who failed to leave their countries when things got dangerous for them. One of the chief similes of our time for freedomistas is that we’re like Jews in Germany circa 1938.

But of course, we’re equally proud of our ancestors who did fight back — when they won. Or when they died noble and notable deaths.

We don’t much care about the sad sacks who just stayed and took whatever tyrants dished out, no matter how boldly they may have talked.

—–

*I’m sure it’s news to most of us if the Constitution still prevents government from doing anything it wants. But that ban on third terms does appear to be one of the few remaining scraps left of that old document, doesn’t it? FWIW, I don’t see any evidence Obama plans a third-term grab. That claim’s been made before, about other presidents. Still … The Bill of Rights is gone. Habeas corpus is gone. There’s not much left to get rid of.

43 Responses to “Raising the black flag and …”

  1. wrm Says:

    Aaah, but where are you going to walk away to? Y’see, you guys are still pretty much the most free on the planet. We walk away to the USA, if we can wangle it, if we want to. And we (South Africa) are of the most free on the planet, IMO.

    The Powers What Be are pushing. Maybe they know just how hard they can push to slowly erode right, but maybe the hysteria causes them to push too hard. And maybe when they push too hard they realise it and backtrack*, or maybe they try to push things through.

    Well, at least I know that the good guys will win, because the bad guys can’t shoot and don’t like guns…

    * Because they’ve been warned of this, through the writings of Ross, Bracken, Wolfe :-)

  2. Silverhair Says:

    The country is aging. There are a lot of silver haired malcontents out there. The advantage to being old is we don’t expect to live forever and that opens up a lot of options. Why submit to a raid by government goons when there is little left to accomplish in life and your illegal ugly black rifle is at your side? There is an old proverb “Never pick a fight with an old man. If he’s too old to fight he’ll just kill you.” Another advantage to old age is that young and strong people have a tendency to underestimate our abilities. Tactics and treachery are a good match for youth and enthusiasm. Be careful who you mess with.

    I am encouraged by the number of guns being purchased by Americans in response to the current political situation. Gun control? Americans have voted with their wallets and credit cards. Gun control lost regardless of the laws they pass.

  3. Oregon Partisan Says:

    All I can say is PLEASE stay with those of us partisan patriots and fight, Claire. I’m not saying to pick up a gun. We need your words, your encouragement, and your wisdom. After reading your Outlaws book, it steeled so many things for me that they solidified into something much different than anything I’d called courage before. I was a Sergeant in the Army for 9 years, and did tours in two different combat zones in the 90s, but that was just doing my duty and showing up where Uncle Sam put me. It never once felt as if I were doing those things because of my oath to defend the Constitution. But today, 15 years after leaving the service? I feel it in my gut like no religion or faith – I have no doubt that my next combat tour will be the one of my own choosing, under my own terms, and it will be for the very survival of that Constitution. Knowing the original Freedom Outlaw will be there with her humorous insight is the kind of warmth we’ll be needing more than ever during some very long, cold nights in that very near future…

  4. Benjamin Says:

    If it was an option, where would one go? Southeast Asia? Not many places left that the State hasn’t sank its fangs into. Getting anywhere with certain property intact would also be difficult.

    Or one stays and resists. My day job is coming to an end in a couple weeks, it was past time for a change anyway. May as well include going from a lowercase o to an uppercase O.

    I thought of you this weekend while poking around a general store. There were these little hooks for sale, white circles with black numbers. Most of them had sold so there were just a bunch of sixes left. Good ol’ Number Six: “Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment, and will die here like rotten cabbages.”

  5. Roger Says:

    Claire , I realise that they could push through legislation restricting what guns you can own ( which I don’t agree with) but to ban guns would involve actually changing the second amendment through another amendment. As I understand it to do this would require every state to ratify it. I am asking as living in the UK this argument has come up repeatedly recently and I would like to be sure of myself when combatting these gun grabbing wankers over here( apologies for the bad language but they rile me so). Would this no also be true for term limits for the ‘president for life’ incumbent.
    I really do hope these latest attempted grabs motivate more Americans to vote and to badger thier representatives. Living over here I can tell you once their gone these freedoms are a lot harder to get back!

  6. revjen45 Says:

    You’re right about the Pledge of Allegiance. Since “The Republic for which it stands” no longer survives how can you pledge allegiance to a non-existent entity?

  7. Sam Says:

    Where would you go? In those times you mentioned people left their homelands for America…now where is there to go where people can be free?

  8. Tom Says:

    Where do we go? Near as I can tell we’re still more free than the rest of the world. While there are places with more economic freedom, they still lack basic freedoms like guns.

    Plus wherever it is, it will need to be a place where one looks like the rest of the population. The rest of the world isn’t as tolerant of differences as we are. If you’re Asian you’re pretty much out of luck as far as free yet somewhat civilized. Also regardless of your race an even bigger barrier will be the native language. There aren’t that many English speaking places (and even so your accent will be a dead giveaway).

    If America is over (and it probably is), then Human freedom is also over.

  9. Pat Says:

    I am currently re-reading “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress”, and have been struck by a number of parellels to today’s dilemma. Not in the storyline itself – we can’t throw rocks, after all! – but in the same basic needs within a revolution.

    How to root out, and deal with, spies.
    How best to communicate _quietly_. (The internet is questionable here.)
    How to infiltrate (which may not necessarily incorporate moles).
    How to monkey wrench effectively.

    One thing that caught my attention (I never picked up on this before) is: What Constitutes Aggression?

    The Loonies had been living with Authority for years, and felt inadequate for the job of revolution, while anger, hate and rebellion built up within them. When they decided to fight, they took the initiative against the Authority. In a sense they were the aggressors – while they were, in fact, the defenders against the real aggressor.

    Propaganda is the first line of aggression against Authority. Freedom-lovers/fighters have information all over the place, on the internet and in print, but no one concerted ‘stash’ of info, and not even a single philosophy (apart from possibly non-aggression) to rally the troops. Too many personal factors – witness the LP, Reason mag, libertarian, anarchist, minarchist, socialist anarchist, Christian anarchist, free-market advocate, etc. have interjected themselves into the public awareness – *and into their own awareness* – that has rendered them ineffective as a fighting force.

    You don’t have to herd cats, just offer them the right incentive to bring them to heel. Have you ever seen a bunch of cats following a fish wagon? I have. They look neither to right nor left… they don’t fight each other… they’re not concerned with sex, or being ‘top cat’; they just follow that fish man’s wagon. How to get the right incentive to everyone may be the first difficulty in this battle.

  10. Pat Says:

    P.S: After reading the commenters above, maybe the biggest problem is in defining Freedom.

  11. reinkefj Says:

    I’ve joined the Free State Project. Within 5 years, regardless of how many people sign up, me and my gray hair are going there to make my stand. It’s cold, sure. Not as cold as the Death Camps that always seem to follow an out of control Gooferment. “For the children”, they round them up and put them indoctrination centers. “For the poor”, they take 40-70%. “For themselves”, they omage themselves as “tireless public servants fighting for the middle class”. Yeah, it’s going to hell. Maybe we can save one state?

  12. ILTim Says:

    “I’m not giving up my country!”

    I heard a buzzer when I read that. Flag on the play. Imagine a Greek commoner uttering that with steely determination any time in the past five years.

    Shoulda woulda coulda…. got the H out. Bah, I’m still not interested. I just wish there was another state I could escape to, but its all this Federal BS that I’m most interested in escaping from. Its the most dangerous and damaging.

    The truth is, we do not posses this country any more. Its been given, gifted, and abandoned to the current owners – the political class. The separation is stark and the divide itself a fair part of the problem. Greece, ancestral Ireland, Cambodia a couple decades ago, people left these places because these places are wholly and truly owned by a ruling class, as opposed to the people at large. And so we face the same problem here today, the Constitution did not stop the natural progression. A few loopholes, a heap of apathy, a dash of evil, bake for eight decades.

    The healthiest course from here is probably to embrace it, attempt to profit from it if opportunity presents, and live the Claire style Hardyville Outlaw life. But that’s even more frustrating, because how can anyone condone the cultivation of apathy like that? Isn’t that why we’re here to begin with?

  13. ILTim Says:

    “maybe the biggest problem is in defining Freedom”

    Well, yes. Every person will define it differently for himself, and in a lot of cases you cannot have law or society at all without infringing on someones definition.

    Competitive markets within localities, counties, and states… well they seem to have produced the same problem here that has plagued all societies since the dawn of civilization. All roads do lead to Rome.

  14. Pat Says:

    I don’t agree, ILTim. Freedom is not relative to what other countries (or other authorities) allow. While we each may *tolerate* various degrees of freedom for our own purposes, freedom itself cannot be compromised, it has only one meaning. Like _good_ is not defined by the degree of evil that’s missing, so freedom is not defined by the degree of authority that’s missing.

    I understand wanting to live in a “more free” country (if that’s what one chooses to do), but that doesn’t really make it a freer country; any country that will take one right away, will take all of them away any time it pleases. It’s like waiting for the other shoe to drop, so what have you gained? They’re doing that now to us, here in America.

  15. Matt, another Says:

    I was thinking along these lines quite a bit this weekend. I am pretty sure on saturday alone I committed at least 4 felonies, as well as innumerable traffic violations. The freest places right now might be the “third world” countries that collapsed a few decades ago, assuming the ruling regime that caused the collapse didn’t retain control. I’d not consider western europe, africa or central/south america. Mid east? No freedom there for anyone. The far east, excluding Japan, China and Burma might be ok. They are only free, I think becuase the commoners routinely ignore the authorities more than any other reason. They do have the specter of China looming over their societies. More and more they are realizing that the U.S. is no longer able to keep China at bay on their behalf. When China marches their freedom ends. Where to go, how to get there and when to leave?

  16. Pre-press veteran Says:

    Claire: in all the households across the country… where people are even half-way awake… the same questions are running through people’s minds.

  17. M Says:

    “In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity” Sun-Tzu

    As I see it : “Our” largest problem as Individuals is to determine what opportunity that we want to embrace. It is all well and good to retreat to a “redoubt” – then of course one is a target of opportunity already pre-labeled for an excuse.

    Embracing Freedom where you reside, and most importantly within yourself, is the greatest challenge of all.

    If you hold a final reward of an afterlife in your mind – that makes it easier. For those who don’t – who believe that this is not a trial run for some final approval – well – the tighter you grasp a handful of sand the quicker it runs through your fingers.

    I’d love to see our Children grow up and our trees reach their glorious beauty, but not on my knees.

  18. Matt, another Says:

    Big O Outlaw occupations that come to mind if one stays within the U.S. Some of these are currently outlawed regionally, but probably coming to a place near you.

    Raw milk purveyor.
    Breeder of non-registered livestock
    Rasier of free range, poultry, hogs, cattle
    Breeder of non “approved” swine
    Distiller
    Brewer
    Rain Harvester
    Chemist
    Machinist
    Healer/Herbalist
    Clergyman
    Constitutionalist

  19. just waiting Says:

    This is a constant conversation in our home. We’ve been talking about retiring to a freer place for a while now, and Belize has been looked at as a possible destination. Good climate, favorable taxes, english speaking, low cost of living.

    It all looks so good, except its not America. We’d always be foreigners, and who knows how local attitudes might change or how the treatment of ex-pats collapses if tshtf here.

    But the biggest reason that I want to stay is that I still believe in the founders vision of America, and even if its size has shrunken to what’s contained within my property lines (and yours, and yours), its still America. As long as we believe, a free America will always exist. We may no longer be able to be united states, and America may be reduced to the soil under my feet, but the ideals set forth by our founders will survive in the pocktes of freedomistas who make it through whatever is coming.

  20. R.L. Wurdack Says:

    I would like to go to Mars, seriously. It’s just a matter of money, but, then, if you had all that money you might be able to fix things here.

    More realistically, has anybody got a read on the Citadel?

    http://iiicitadel.blogspot.com/

    D.

  21. G.W.F. Says:

    There are some really good comments here.

    Personally, I like the FreeState idea and think it would be great to get like minded folks together and ensure there is one free state among the united mess. I have not seen that project take off to the degree where I see any real change. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t NH just go 52% pro-Obama? I am not sure that is a place that I would jump to move to. I have always suspected if one state was to break with the Union it would be TX. I am not a huge fan of the state, but if they were to secede, I would move there in a heartbeat.

    I think the biggest hurdle is just that these are the folks that vote in the US (Americans are NOT stupid):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27f0IimLQpU

    I have entertained the idea of leaving the country, but there are just no good options. The money required to leave is simply too great for most people to actually do it. Then you pretty much need to leave any firearms at the border, so what do you gain?

    I do see the gun ban going through and more liberties taken away in the next few years. What I think will happen is an emergence of a huge black market. I visited Russia a few times and although they are lacking in the freedom dept., they have a huge black market system way beyond anything you see here. If you can’t transfer firearms legally here, people will just start doing it outside the system. It is fairly easy to convert most semi-auto guns to full auto, but people don’t because breaking NFA rules and paying the price is just too much. If all semis are going to be NFA I think you will start to see more and more full autos. I think the same will go for other taboos like explosives. These new laws are going to back fire. That old line about “if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns” is very true. They are going to turn honest law abiding citizens in law breakers. If you are already breaking X number of laws, what is a few more?

  22. Kent McManigal Says:

    Freedom is doing whatever you want (good, bad, or neutral). Liberty is the freedom to do anything that doesn’t violate someone else or their property.

    R.L. Wurdack- I have been in on the discussion of the Citadel from the beginning. I contributed a lot of input to the early stages. It is too authoritarian for my tastes, and I refuse to swear allegiance to the Constitution in order to be a part of it. I am also just a little suspicious of some other aspects- but it may just be me.

    I have always been willing to work with Constitutionalists, but they usually end up calling me a “domestic enemy”. Or worse. Just today I am dealing with some emails from “patriots” who take issue with some of the things they love. There are some parts of The State they like, and some parts they don’t like. They get twitchy when I poke the parts they like.

  23. Bear Says:

    New Hampshire already doomed. Forget the “Free State” there. A BlueHampshire.com poster says, “I’ve never thought of invasion as being a very democratic strategy. I wish there was some way to repel these people.” 3rd District State Representative Democrat Cynthia Chase has a way to do just that; she publicly called for the state to “pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that they think they will find here” (http://www.bluehampshire.com/viewRating.do;jsessionid=3AD6ED5088988B53C345D25CB2064A9A?rateCommentId=131674).

    Restrict “freedoms” in order to put down opposition.

    Sure, some Free Staters have gotten into office… by pretending they aren’t Free Staters. But consider who else is getting into office in New Hampster: Democrat Stacie Laughton was elected to the state legislature as the first openly transgendered individual to do so. Except that by the state’s own rules 1) Laughton was ineligible to run or hold office because he/she (see below) is on parole for a few felony fraud convictions. He/she finally resigned. Then he/she announced he/she/d run in the special election to replace him/herself. He/she finally dropped out again. For now.

    (Laughton claimed to be transgender, which is how the felony convictions were discovered. Someone saw the claim, and connected “Stacie” to the paroled identity. Since that claim, various unconfirmed reports say Laughton _is_ transgender, is pre-op and still male, is “20%” transgender, isn’t transgender at all… Personally, I suspect he/she claimed to be transgender only to change her name to obscure the felony convictions, but I can’t prove that. Recent pictures of Laughton look a male who hasn’t _heard_ of estrogen, much been put on hormone therapy.

    My own district elected a Dem named Kuster to the US House who… well, she does seem to be female, but she makes Laughton look sane, reasonable, and honest. Look up “batshit insane” and you’ll find her picture. (The Libertarians did run someone, but he was best noted for never mentioning his positions on anything, and holding a press conference in the pouring rain, attended by about two people and a fast running photographer.)

  24. MamaLiberty Says:

    http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/?p=928
    I was going to write something profound and serious and, maybe even snarky… but Matt Bracken beat me to it. So, instead of pounding the keys myself, here’s Matt at the Western Rifle Shooters website. Damned good… damned right!

    The Yellow Line:

    The yellow warning line will be crossed with national gun registration laws, including laws forbidding private gun sales without government permission. When that law passes, millions of Americans will feel that they have been pushed directly to the edge of the abyss above the mass graves of history. Defenders of the Second Amendment know what happened in Turkey, the USSR, Germany, China, and other nations that fell under totalitarian rule: in every case a necessary preliminary step on the road to genocide was national gun registration, followed by confiscation. The Jewish survivors of the Nazi Holocaust say, “Never again!” And so do we.

    The Red Line: READ IT! https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/bracken-dear-mr-security-agent/

  25. Matt, another Says:

    I have several friends that live mostly as Ex-pats in various countries. Since they don’t stay put in one country, but follow their work, they might be considered nomadic expats. Mostly they enjoy their life and live it because it is where they can get work. They didn’t intentionally abandon the U.S. just had to seek employment elsewhere.

    There is one thing they agree upon. Being an expat is fine until the money runs out. Expats are welcome because they bring much needed money or skills to a particular country. When that no longer applies, you are just one more foreigner in the way. Most have little if any protection or rights in those countries because they are non-citizens. Some of the countries immigration laws are such that they are often technically illegal immigrants due to difficulty in maintaining visa status etc. Living as a tourist in resort towns with a good bankroll to spend makes a country look a lot better than working in the boonies with little cas at hand.

  26. Pre-press veteran Says:

    Thanks MamaLiberty…

    Matt’s piece is quite good!

  27. Jolly Says:

    New Hampshire is NOT doomed. That it went for Obama is irrelevant. That implies Romney was “better” in some way?
    The NH representative that wrote that screed against Free Staters proves that their having an effect! They’re making the politicians nervous.
    During the republican primaries, Ron Paul came in a solid 2nd place. Romney was considered a “local” as he has property in NH, so he had an advantage there among the dweebs.
    NH is the only hope, in my view, of salvaging the situation.

  28. Jolly Says:

    Argh, sorry about my spelling. double arg.

  29. Joseph P. Martino Says:

    Yes, Claire, lots of people have been waiting for you to answer, “Is it time yet?”

    Rather than put the burden on you, I’ve looked to the Just War Doctrine to help determine when it’s time. Not enough space here to go into detail, but I’ve done that in the first chapter of my book RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY.

    In short, it’s time when there are no peaceful alternatives left. When voting is a waste of time because the tax-eaters have finally outnumbered the tax-payers and there’s massive voting fraud. When you can’t write your congresscritter because it takes two weeks for the letters to get through the anti-anthrax system. When rallies and demonstrations are ignored. When writing letters to the editor is a waste of time because “our” letters get censored. And finally, when they try to take away our means of resistance, namely, guns of military utility. That’s the ultimate line in the sand. Even introducing such a bill should be considered a “call to arms.” No need to wait for the bastards to actually pass it.

  30. Bear Says:

    Jolly, your argument would carry more weight if that rep hadn’t just been reelected. And if several pro-freedom types hadn’t been voted out. One of the best pro-freedom types (a Republican who managed to be on my/freedom’s side roughly 99.5% of the time) gave up and didn’t run again; nor was he alone in packing it in.

    And who said a damned thing about Romney? Not me. Or am I only allowed to vote for one of the two candidates put up by the One Big Government Party?

    Setting the prez election aside, look at the new make up of the state house, senate, executive council, and governor and tell me New Hampster is getting _better_. The house’s first order of business was disarming citizens coming to keep an eye on “their” legislators; this is freedom?

  31. Tonerboy Says:

    Clare, maybe we should support Texas in it’s path to secede from the US. Since not everyone would want to leave, that’s the 47%ters, theres plenty of room for the rest of us. Just about every Texan owns a gun so…

  32. Ellendra Says:

    Concerning the question of where to go, I would like to point out that, due to geography and climate, Alaska would be the most difficult place for the Powers That Be to enforce their drivel.

    Hypothetically speaking, of course.

    Personally, I aknowledge that my country has changed beyond recognition. But I am not giving up my land.

    I have a territorial streak. If anybody messes with my land or tries to take it from me, they will learn how much of a scrap this cripple can put up!

  33. naturegirl Says:

    Meet President Kevin Baugh’s country of Molossia, found in the state of Nevada:

    “Do something a little different with your time,” he said. “Don’t just be the same guy marching the same direction as everyone else, because you can do things to make a difference in the world.”

    http://www.mynews4.com/mostpopular/story/Man-Rules-Own-Country-Near-Dayton/WysxOCMaE0ukVJuDmuKFzg.cspx

    Generally he’s looked upon with humor, but imagine if he’s really on to something when done on a larger scale (multiple people and places.)

  34. The Infamous Oregon Lawhobbit Says:

    My skill at Refusing Claire Requests has never been that good … so here, let me out some private comments:

    Hi Claire,

    You can’t “lose” your rights. They’re inalienable. All you can do is be coerced into not exercising them due to fear of being killed for doing so. Or attempting to do so.

    It may seem like a small distinction, but words and ideas have meaning – and “losing” something does not have NEAR the shame value of “you’re not exercising it because you’re afraid to.” The first is … well, sad, but you know, caca happens and what can you do? The second, correct, version, puts the blame back where it belongs – on the person who’s making excuses to not do anything.

    Local gun boards are in a semi-tizzy over stuff … but it’s all undirected, unfocused, and not really that well trained or organized. And they *hate* it when I point out that pure hearts and good PR scores are *not* going to win the revolution for them.

  35. Gus S. Calabrese (@99guspuppet) troll Says:

    freedom was much easy to achieve when the planet was not completely settled and under surveillance. an example would be America from 1700 to 1900. if you did not like the authorities you could move away.

    it is clear that the oppressors in the USG plan to have world government ….. thus it does not matter whether one fights here or tries to melt away …… at least in the long term.

    you cannot beat the oppressors by being like them ( slit some throats )…. i am not sure what is going to win the day……. but history suggests it will occur. people are less violent towards each other than ever before in history. people are more creative than ever before. in the end , i believe sophonts will win. those ruled by the amygdala will fade away.

    99guspuppet

  36. Jake MacGregor Says:

    here is the essential part of what I emailed Claire about. At her urging I will post it.

    Were it not for three major health crisis I’d be back at the keyboard pounding out more chapters for all of you. I’ll do my best to get back to that habit in a month or so.

    ** note – she politely disagrees with Boy Scout component … and I understand why ***********************************************************************************
    Claire,

    as re your blog post(s) as re gun grab here are my thoughts:

    Progressives have been working on this for 100 years – no, not specifically the Feinstein bill or Carolyn McCarthy’s .. rather, a deliberate purposeful ‘progression’ to erode our liberties

    I have read & reviewed how this began with their understanding that they needed to attack core institutions of our society – the church(s), schools, civic organizations

    if we think back 50 to 100 years (1912 to 1962) America values embraced being clean cut, hard work, frugality (especially post depression), Boy Scouts, polite behavior, etc

    now I am not making a case for heinous faux ‘ozzie harriet’ things towards women, people of color, etc

    BUT the fabric of our world was marked by self reliance, a sense of civic duty and a realization that bad things happen to good people. Without those core values I’d argue we’d have not won WW2.

    Since ’62 things have been reversed. Being a Boy Scout is a perjorative (sp?). Clean cut is not ‘cool’ and self reliance is looked upon as being a ‘kook, extremist, nut job prepper’

    Progressivism has turned our culture 180 degrees. So much so that a liberal ‘constitutional law’ professor opined that our problems could all be solved by abolishing the Constitution!

    In that background grabbing our guns seems only ‘reasonable’ … What would have been unthinkable is now likely.

    1st – the mere thought of taking a gun to school was abhorent to your/my era. I was more afraid of my grandparents than i was the law. My grandmother would have shoved whatever gun i took to school up my ass & pulled the trigger.

    2nd – people, like my Grandfather (WW2 Flying Tiger) would have shouted down the notion to register our guns & confiscate them so fast that no legislation would have reached the floor.

    But the incremental detachment of values, principles and culture over 100 years has brought us to this tipping point.

    Alinsky, Cloward, Piven (and that Public relations book – Bernays? from the ’20s that the Nazis copied – name???) all pointed the way.

    They knew the way to make these changes was to take what was cherished (say, being a Boy Scout) and making it seem outdated, square, stupid, silly, even extreme (those boy Scouts hate all gays!)

    In short – they made an EMOTIONAL ARGUMENT over time.

    In every recent piece I have read from defending 2nd amendment the arguments being made against this gun grab are … logical, rational, methodical.

    And that is precisely why we will lose.

    Emotional argument beats rational 99.9% of the time.

    ‘The bad ASSAULT guns killed the babies & little children!!!!’ vs “A well armed & trained person could have limited or stopped this”

    other examples ‘those evil millionaires should pay their fair share’ ‘everyone deserves access to healthcare’

    through dumb downed public education (an entire thesis itself) Americans have (mostly) lost the ability to do math, critical thinking and see through falicous & demagoged arguments.

    The only way to prevail is to fight fire with fire.

    Example: Have mom’s and kids walk around schools with an unloaded 30 round magazine painted pink. Signs say ‘magazines don’t kill people – crazy people kill people!’

    I am not sure, even that, is enough.

    The NRA botched it – they came off as an angry white guy – his points were valid but the ‘optics’ sucked. They should really have had a woman who has defended children speak.

    If I were running a campaign to stop this gun ban mess that is exactly what I’d do. I’d have small, petite women who have been assaulted by large men tell their stories how how being armed was the ONLY thing that saved their & their children’s lives.

    My own Great Grandmother was 4’11″ and did exactly that – she shot a man through the front door on Christmas eve in ealy 1920′s as he tried to claw the chain undone. I still have the 16 gauge single shot shotgun she used. She was alone with 4 children under age of 8.

    I’d keep hammering home the ‘emotional’ reasons to be well armed. History specials showing what happened to Armenians, Jews, Russians, Cambodians – all genocided after gun grabs. Show the faces of those murdered thus – show the atrocity.

    If we recite law (Heller, etc) we are sunk.

    If we recite statistics – done.

    To a population that believes ‘reality’ and ‘tv’ belong in the same sentence emotion is the only way to win.

    all my best

    me

    ps – i’d also lay out civil disobedience plan now for post ban. imagine a million magazine march on dc.

    ******************************

    it should concern Claire that her mind is running on a parallel track to mine – thus, I agree & recommend the ‘white hair, women & children’s’ brigade protest it as we ‘angry white men’ are too easily demagoged

  37. dochudson Says:

    One of the ways I see the gun ban starting to play out is by taxing (yearly) existing guns (and high cap magazines). Then when grumpy gray beards and silver hairs fail to comply with the ‘reasonable and fair’ tax, then they’ll just be going after horrible tax cheating criminals, not honest, peaceful, law abiding citizens.

  38. Grumpy Old Man Says:

    “Then when grumpy gray beards and silver hairs fail to comply with the ‘reasonable and fair’ tax, then they’ll just be going after horrible tax cheating criminals, not honest, peaceful, law abiding citizens.”

    Make that “…horrible tax cheating ARMED criminals…”

  39. Jim Klein Says:

    Hey, Kent…I hope you know I’m with you about the Citadel; it ain’t my style either. But I don’t think it’s right to call it “authoritarian,” because EVERY person who chooses to go there is doing so willingly and with their eyes open. As Vernon keeps pressing over and over, every drop of it is voluntary. Personally I buy that, even as I know you and I wouldn’t be their cups of tea. IOW it’s as it should be—all the “authority” is coming from where it should, the choices of the participants.

    Meanwhile, I’m STILL trying to figure out what everyone’s talking about with regard to this “gun issue.” When it comes to my life, or the lives of those I CHOOSE to care about, and my ability to protect that, I don’t get what the “issue” is and I sure don’t see what there is to talk about. I thought the whole point of guns in the first place, is for when talking doesn’t work. I’m asking everywhere I can and getting no answer…what am I missing?

  40. perlhaqr Says:

    Yeah, as said so often above… there’s nowhere else to go.

    If there was somewhere to go, I’d consider it. I might reject it, but I’d at least think about it. I’d be a fool to not consider all the options before deciding.

    But there isn’t. Which means I’m feeling both threatened and backed into a corner. Tail is rattling about a thousand miles an hour. Best for folks to pay heed to that.

  41. Claire Says:

    perlhaqr — My apologies. I missed your comment while it was awaiting moderation. Your last paragraph is a zinger — and very apt.

    I’m not really sure that there’s nowhere else to go. There’s certainly nowhere decent to go where self-defense rights are respected. But increasingly I’m coming to believe there are saner, healthier countries. The U.S., in the grip of mad neocon warmongers and “progressives” who see no limit on government power, seems more dangerous to liberty by the second.

    Of course, it’s dangerous to everybody’s liberty everywhere in the world …

  42. Kent McManigal Says:

    Jim- Something can be authoritarian and voluntary. I don’t mind people setting up voluntary communist enclaves as long as they don’t coerce anyone to join and let anyone leave at any time.

    I guess what actually bothers me about the Citadel is the level of rhetoric I have seen directed at those who don’t buy into the Constitution as the Alpha and Omega of Liberty. It actually seems as if they are saying it is good to shoot non-constitutionalists- even without aggression of the part of the non-constitutionalists- once the hostilities start. Just because they didn’t sign on. Perhaps I have misread something along the way.

    Now, if that was just heat-of-the-moment commentary I wouldn’t mind having them as neighbors, even though I couldn’t pledge allegiance to their idol.

  43. Jim Klein Says:

    LOL, and it’s not even “as if,” Kent. There are plenty out there who say they’d just as well shoot a non-Constitutionalist, let alone a voluntarist, as listen to one. That’s alright—besides being just talk, most people have never thought about this stuff clearly.

    It’s always epistemology, usually the failure to distinguish the concepts from the referents. It even relates to the topic of this thread. A LAW to limit one’s self-defense??? I mean, just think about it. It’s absolutely crazy, yet somehow nearly everyone thinks there’s something to talk about, like maybe the defense of one person’s life could be up to someone else to decide. It’s absurd on its face, even without the blatant immorality or illegality of it. Yet everyone’s worked up about it anyway. There are thieves and rapists too, but nobody’s wondering what to do about them.

    Anyway, the analogy is that I believe most of those folk seek liberty–true liberty–but don’t really know what that means except what’s codified in the Constitution. They can’t get out of that trap yet, but they will eventually. Most people can’t grasp the referents of super-complex ideas, especially the point of individualism versus collectivism, so they reach for what they believe is the best conceptual representations of those referents. I figure it’s not crazy to pick the Constitution–it was different, after all–and one day people will understand that it’s not the concepts we’re looking for…it’s what the concepts reference.

 
 


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
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